Why are you surprised? Everything the regime that dt leads is all about curated performance art designed to keep people in fear by weaponizing the laws that are designed to provide protection.
The reverence that the First Peoples had for the Elders has been lost in America, and perhaps elsewhere as well. This may be one of the many manifestations underlying the core observation that "Youth is wasted on the young."
In my 82 years of observation, which has grown more acute over a lifetime of experience, I realize the life-changing value of keen perspective. All of what has occurred in the last 9 years with Trump is as clear as day. We are in a big black kettle of a COUP. Trump has been the key proponent here in the US to turn Democracy into the sow's ear of a Fascist state. We can go over, endlessly, every travesty that is consistent with a fascist takeover and try to normalize it, rationalize it, realize it, but we as a nation, including those in high political office, do not see the reality that we are amid a fascist takeover. What happened with Trump and Comey and Trump's obsession with loyalty has been replaced by firing those who might not pledge fealty to Trump and interfere with his coup to dictatorship. Just like Stalin, Mussolini, and then Hitler, Trump will rid those around him first by firing them from office.
Where are our generals with years of experience? -fired. Where are those with decades of knowledge regarding the FBI and CIA? -fired. Where is the rule of law per the Constitution relating to the 5th and 14th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution? Ignored. What is happening to the five freedoms "guaranteed" by the 1st Amendment to the Constitution that guarantees free speech, free press? Ignored as students and others are arrested by masked agents of Trump and moved across state lines or out of the country to El Salvador to CECOT (Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo), which translates to Terrorism Confinement Center. All without due process, again guaranteed by the Constitution.
I signed up for this Forum to get to the truth. Being informed of one more travesty of justice by Trump is not where we should be at. We should be talking about Fascism and how we can get our Democracy back, before my writing this has me in an El Salvadorian prison. Wake up.
Bro, The guy had an active deportation order since 2019, due to his affiliation with MS13. His wife reported him for domestic violence in 2021, but that was dropped. He was pulled over while human trafficking a van full of illegals in 2022, but the Biden DOJ told them to let him go. He's not a good guy. If he'd applied for lawful permanent residence in 2019, it would have been processed in 3 months.
Can you provide citations for all of your claims? While aspects of what you say are true, you appear to leaving out a bunch of context. In particular, the fact that his wife asked that the restraining order be lifted against her husband a month later, and that they went to counseling together and improved their relationship. What evidence do you have the Biden DOJ "told them" to let him go? There is no evidence that I have seen that proves he is associated with MS-13. In fact, a federal judge has dismissed all of this evidence as unreliable. So it sounds like you are just sopping up right-wing bullshit talking points, honestly.
This is really a he said, she said thing. The Tennesee Star newspaper got comments from the Tennesee highway patrol that the FBI told them to let the guy go. Sounds like flimsy evidence to me.
Dude, you are trippin’ balls. The Do Not Deport Order was issued in 2019. Under the Trump Administration. He lived here just like you with his family every single day during the first term. No one flagged him, in fact he was protected from the gangs trying to recruit he and his bro back home. His family sent them both to America separately to escape that life because they didn’t want to join. When he was wrongfully identified by someone as committing crimes in NY, it was proven that he had never even visited let alone lived there. A judge entered a Do Not Deport Order in 2019 because the evidence was clear and irrefutable.
Judges don’t play drama. They want evidence, period. A signed court order with a seal is enforceable. There is no administrative error or smear campaign that can erase that fact.
Don’t fall for the lies. And if you do, don’t pretend it couldn’t be you saying, “But I have a court order!”
I have literally been there and had to go above the head of the sheriff’s office to the prosecutor’s office. The next morning at 5am he was leaving an apology message on my voice mail saying yes ma’am the order will be entered into the record.
A do not deport order is not the order that was issued; it was an order of withholding; any country that would accept him besides El Salvador was fair game.
Ok you win. Hopefully someone you love will not be on the other end of a regime who doesn’t care about you one whit. Are you a gajazillionaire or a dictator? You mean nothing to them. They are laughing at you.
I'm just someone who believes that the law should be applied equally to all people. If the guy was a decent human being, he would have applied for permanent residency before Trump got out of office. It took my wife 3 months from start to finish.
It’s only been since Trump took office that I’ve ever heard that the FBI takes its orders directly from the president… and the photo of the tattoo (which only came out after the government was criticized) is said by photographic experts to be doctored. I have no more proof for my point of view than you do for yours. Shouldn’t we be discussing facts instead ?
Have you looked at the tattoo on his left knuckles?
How many people take 8 individuals on a van ride from Texas to Maryland, with no luggage, for saintly purposes?
In the movie The Blues Brother's, John Belushi had Jake tattooed on his knuckles. How likely is it for someone who is not affiliated with MS13 to have MS13 tattooed on his knuckles?
A democratic POTUS and a democratic government would have proceeded through Due Process guaranteed by the 5th and 14th Constitutional amendments. Legitimacy is not clothed in this cloak-and-dagger behavior so characteristic of Trump and sycophants.
Did you not know about the two cases in 2019 which found that he was an illegal alien and member of MS13? There was an order to deport him to any safe 3rd party country that would accept him. Perhaps you weren't aware of the war on drugs. What about the Alien Enemies act? I find that a lot of people who are into virtue signaling are ignorant of the facts of the cases they are arguing.
Due process for an illegal is the two court cases that Garcia faced in 2019 which determined that he should be deported and was a member of MS-13. There was an order that he couldn't be sent to El Salvador, because it was the most violent crime den on the planet. They elected someone who wasn't owned by crime families, and it's safe now.
Because you should have read the stories instead of reading headlines or watching 10 second TV News clips. There was an active deportation order since 2019, but it was determined that he'd be killed if he went to Venezuela, due to his MS13 ties. The order was for him to be deported to any reasonably safe country that would accept him. That was still active since 2019.
The idea that Abrego Garcia was “trafficking” is absurd. He may have been transporting workers. If he were “trafficking” or genuinely was suspected of doing so then the traffic stop would have gone deeper. This is just more right wing nonsense to bait right wingers. And somewhere there is the story they were children (and implicitly abusing children). I have not seen this corroborated. So this introduces the concept this was happening against their will. More nonsense to stir things up to justify an illegal action now by our President. You can believe any nonsense to justify tyranny and you can look a little deeper and see what is going and what principles are important to uphold. And accepting the principle of authoritarian rule is an extremely poor and dangerous choice. Wake up.
Mike I appreciate all of your deep research here, but 9 out of 9 supreme court judges agree that the "deportation" was not lawful. I'm sure they have all of the details on the case. Are you you saying you have some sort of legal expertise that SCOTUS does not?
Don’t accuse me of not reading the entire stories ! All I do is read (I don’t own a TV). But you still haven’t answered my question. If there was an active deportation order, why did the government say it had made a mistake deporting him?
Kilmar Abrego Garcia's case involves an order withholding his removal to El Salvador. In 2019, an immigration judge granted him a "withholding of removal," a form of legal protection that prevents his deportation to El Salvador due to the risk of persecution there.
Yes that’s true. But I think that what’s important is not whether or not Garcia is a good guy. The government wasn’t supposed to send him back to El Salvador and it did. Although it acknowledged its mistake, it’s defying orders now from judges and the Supreme Court and is lying to justify its actions. And what about the 90% of the others in that hellhole who don’t have criminal records ? The young hairdresser with tattoos of « Mom » and « Dad » who hasn’t been heard of for a month ? The Trump government has no right to be judge, jury and executioner and send anyone to a foreign prison.
If the Trump administration got the president of El Salvador to release a violent criminal and send him back, the removal order still stands. If Kenya said that they would take the criminal, he'd land and be deported to Kenya.
I thought that he was using the Alien Enemies act to deport people who are identified as enemies in the war on drugs. I have not read articles from credible sources supporting your assertions.
Why are you surprised? Everything the regime that dt leads is all about curated performance art designed to keep people in fear by weaponizing the laws that are designed to provide protection.
The silence and in action are chilling!
The reverence that the First Peoples had for the Elders has been lost in America, and perhaps elsewhere as well. This may be one of the many manifestations underlying the core observation that "Youth is wasted on the young."
In my 82 years of observation, which has grown more acute over a lifetime of experience, I realize the life-changing value of keen perspective. All of what has occurred in the last 9 years with Trump is as clear as day. We are in a big black kettle of a COUP. Trump has been the key proponent here in the US to turn Democracy into the sow's ear of a Fascist state. We can go over, endlessly, every travesty that is consistent with a fascist takeover and try to normalize it, rationalize it, realize it, but we as a nation, including those in high political office, do not see the reality that we are amid a fascist takeover. What happened with Trump and Comey and Trump's obsession with loyalty has been replaced by firing those who might not pledge fealty to Trump and interfere with his coup to dictatorship. Just like Stalin, Mussolini, and then Hitler, Trump will rid those around him first by firing them from office.
Where are our generals with years of experience? -fired. Where are those with decades of knowledge regarding the FBI and CIA? -fired. Where is the rule of law per the Constitution relating to the 5th and 14th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution? Ignored. What is happening to the five freedoms "guaranteed" by the 1st Amendment to the Constitution that guarantees free speech, free press? Ignored as students and others are arrested by masked agents of Trump and moved across state lines or out of the country to El Salvador to CECOT (Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo), which translates to Terrorism Confinement Center. All without due process, again guaranteed by the Constitution.
I signed up for this Forum to get to the truth. Being informed of one more travesty of justice by Trump is not where we should be at. We should be talking about Fascism and how we can get our Democracy back, before my writing this has me in an El Salvadorian prison. Wake up.
I am reading about a third-world country.
Bro, The guy had an active deportation order since 2019, due to his affiliation with MS13. His wife reported him for domestic violence in 2021, but that was dropped. He was pulled over while human trafficking a van full of illegals in 2022, but the Biden DOJ told them to let him go. He's not a good guy. If he'd applied for lawful permanent residence in 2019, it would have been processed in 3 months.
Can you provide citations for all of your claims? While aspects of what you say are true, you appear to leaving out a bunch of context. In particular, the fact that his wife asked that the restraining order be lifted against her husband a month later, and that they went to counseling together and improved their relationship. What evidence do you have the Biden DOJ "told them" to let him go? There is no evidence that I have seen that proves he is associated with MS-13. In fact, a federal judge has dismissed all of this evidence as unreliable. So it sounds like you are just sopping up right-wing bullshit talking points, honestly.
This is really a he said, she said thing. The Tennesee Star newspaper got comments from the Tennesee highway patrol that the FBI told them to let the guy go. Sounds like flimsy evidence to me.
So the local police contacted the FBI and the FBI said to let them go. FBI is part of the executive branch.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/kilmar-garcia-traffic-stop-tennessee
Dude, you are trippin’ balls. The Do Not Deport Order was issued in 2019. Under the Trump Administration. He lived here just like you with his family every single day during the first term. No one flagged him, in fact he was protected from the gangs trying to recruit he and his bro back home. His family sent them both to America separately to escape that life because they didn’t want to join. When he was wrongfully identified by someone as committing crimes in NY, it was proven that he had never even visited let alone lived there. A judge entered a Do Not Deport Order in 2019 because the evidence was clear and irrefutable.
Judges don’t play drama. They want evidence, period. A signed court order with a seal is enforceable. There is no administrative error or smear campaign that can erase that fact.
Don’t fall for the lies. And if you do, don’t pretend it couldn’t be you saying, “But I have a court order!”
I have literally been there and had to go above the head of the sheriff’s office to the prosecutor’s office. The next morning at 5am he was leaving an apology message on my voice mail saying yes ma’am the order will be entered into the record.
The rule of law protects you, too.
A do not deport order is not the order that was issued; it was an order of withholding; any country that would accept him besides El Salvador was fair game.
Ok you win. Hopefully someone you love will not be on the other end of a regime who doesn’t care about you one whit. Are you a gajazillionaire or a dictator? You mean nothing to them. They are laughing at you.
I'm just someone who believes that the law should be applied equally to all people. If the guy was a decent human being, he would have applied for permanent residency before Trump got out of office. It took my wife 3 months from start to finish.
It’s only been since Trump took office that I’ve ever heard that the FBI takes its orders directly from the president… and the photo of the tattoo (which only came out after the government was criticized) is said by photographic experts to be doctored. I have no more proof for my point of view than you do for yours. Shouldn’t we be discussing facts instead ?
Was the FBI part of Biden's DOJ? Straw man arguments are invalid. The FBI took orders from Merrick Garland.
I should have just read another of Mike’s essays instead of responding to you; you’re just a provocateur and it’s wearisome.
Have you looked at the tattoo on his left knuckles?
How many people take 8 individuals on a van ride from Texas to Maryland, with no luggage, for saintly purposes?
In the movie The Blues Brother's, John Belushi had Jake tattooed on his knuckles. How likely is it for someone who is not affiliated with MS13 to have MS13 tattooed on his knuckles?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/18/abrego-garcia-deported-tennessee-traffic-stop/83156188007/
A democratic POTUS and a democratic government would have proceeded through Due Process guaranteed by the 5th and 14th Constitutional amendments. Legitimacy is not clothed in this cloak-and-dagger behavior so characteristic of Trump and sycophants.
Did you not know about the two cases in 2019 which found that he was an illegal alien and member of MS13? There was an order to deport him to any safe 3rd party country that would accept him. Perhaps you weren't aware of the war on drugs. What about the Alien Enemies act? I find that a lot of people who are into virtue signaling are ignorant of the facts of the cases they are arguing.
Due process for an illegal is the two court cases that Garcia faced in 2019 which determined that he should be deported and was a member of MS-13. There was an order that he couldn't be sent to El Salvador, because it was the most violent crime den on the planet. They elected someone who wasn't owned by crime families, and it's safe now.
Then why did the government say it had made a mistake when it deported him?
Because you should have read the stories instead of reading headlines or watching 10 second TV News clips. There was an active deportation order since 2019, but it was determined that he'd be killed if he went to Venezuela, due to his MS13 ties. The order was for him to be deported to any reasonably safe country that would accept him. That was still active since 2019.
The idea that Abrego Garcia was “trafficking” is absurd. He may have been transporting workers. If he were “trafficking” or genuinely was suspected of doing so then the traffic stop would have gone deeper. This is just more right wing nonsense to bait right wingers. And somewhere there is the story they were children (and implicitly abusing children). I have not seen this corroborated. So this introduces the concept this was happening against their will. More nonsense to stir things up to justify an illegal action now by our President. You can believe any nonsense to justify tyranny and you can look a little deeper and see what is going and what principles are important to uphold. And accepting the principle of authoritarian rule is an extremely poor and dangerous choice. Wake up.
Mike I appreciate all of your deep research here, but 9 out of 9 supreme court judges agree that the "deportation" was not lawful. I'm sure they have all of the details on the case. Are you you saying you have some sort of legal expertise that SCOTUS does not?
Don’t accuse me of not reading the entire stories ! All I do is read (I don’t own a TV). But you still haven’t answered my question. If there was an active deportation order, why did the government say it had made a mistake deporting him?
Here’s the BraveAI answer:
Kilmar Abrego Garcia's case involves an order withholding his removal to El Salvador. In 2019, an immigration judge granted him a "withholding of removal," a form of legal protection that prevents his deportation to El Salvador due to the risk of persecution there.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/10/supreme-court-trump-kilmar-abrego-garcia.html
Yes that’s true. But I think that what’s important is not whether or not Garcia is a good guy. The government wasn’t supposed to send him back to El Salvador and it did. Although it acknowledged its mistake, it’s defying orders now from judges and the Supreme Court and is lying to justify its actions. And what about the 90% of the others in that hellhole who don’t have criminal records ? The young hairdresser with tattoos of « Mom » and « Dad » who hasn’t been heard of for a month ? The Trump government has no right to be judge, jury and executioner and send anyone to a foreign prison.
If the Trump administration got the president of El Salvador to release a violent criminal and send him back, the removal order still stands. If Kenya said that they would take the criminal, he'd land and be deported to Kenya.
I thought that he was using the Alien Enemies act to deport people who are identified as enemies in the war on drugs. I have not read articles from credible sources supporting your assertions.