This is a betrayal of first magnitude, not only by Elon Musk, but by Donald Trump and everyone in the chain of permission that has granted this access to Musk. Every Republican House member, every Republican Senator who doesn’t rise up in immediate opposition is a betrayer. I don’t give a damn about whether it is technically defined this way, but this is treason. Manifest treason.
Agree totally. One entire political party (with a few, mostly out of office exceptions) is complicit in utter betrayal of the country. They are selling out the country for the next election they hope to win. Musk is buying them up one by one. No shame. No conscience. No loyalty.
This whole event brings us to an edge we must cease. To be cornered by a single interest has to cease . One way or another it simply can not be tolerated . Those who have shown to be compromised must be removed as well as the threat they created .
When exactly do the millions of us who are terrified that we could all be “disappeared” along with the country we have loved & served in many ways is also “disappeared “ stand together in the D.C. Mall protesting the dismantling of the United States? Reading Musk into the China War Plans should truly be the proverbial straw that broke the camels’ back.
I am surprised to read well-informed voices talking, even today, about the US "sliding from democracy to authoritarianism." To this non-US observer, democracy has already not just slid but been catapulted into full authoritarianism. It is an ex-democracy; democracy is no more, it has ceased to be, it is bereft of life, it rests in peace, it has joined the choir invisible and is pushing up the daisies. As with the parrot, resuscitation will not be easy.
House Republicans are snoozing through it when they should be preparing articles of impeachment. Senate Republicans are snoozing through it when they should be requesting articles of impeachment from the House. Maybe they should all wake up and start taking Russian and Chinese lessons.
Speaking as an ex-Canadian who has been living in NZ for many years (most of my life), I am utterly astounded by the way America has allowed itself to become mesmerized by two such psychopathic narcissistic fascist f***wits, even though I was fully aware of the crazy self-aggrandizing media hype of Hollywood PLUS the insanely brain-washed Christo-Fascist religiosity of backwoods America during my younger years. Musk and Trump leave me in despair when I think about the future of our planet.
My god, Trump and Musk have no shame. It’s not like Musk didn’t already sell out the Ukrainian’s! Isn’t this the reason Musk was under investigation by the USAID Inspector General; he shut down StarLink when then Ukrainian military was conducting a special drone operation against the Russian’s, after receiving a call from Putin?
And this was also the reason Musk immediately raided USAID’s offices after the inauguration, and shut it down; Musk faced serious criminal charges.
And ironically, Trump, in all his infinite wisdom, is giving Musk our Chinese War plans to a Man who has already shown little loyalty to his adopted country, and is even more beholden to China, than he ever was with Russia: What could possibly go wrong???????
Can we somehow convince Musk that, despite all their crashes, one of his rockets is ready for Mars & he needs to be on the inaugural flight to claim Mars as a US Musk/Trump territorial expansion? Are there lots of rare earths on Mars?
I've been thinking about this for a while. Musk is a utility to trump until he is not. trump will only get rid of musk when he can promote the lie of saving the country from him under the guise of national security. He will make himself appear to be America's savior by ridding himself of musk. And trump's cult will believe his lies. Letting musk be exposed to this level of classified information puts musk in a situation that he can be charged with breaching national security at will, given the slightest of misstep with what he knows.
More likely the other way around: Trump is a utility to Musk, who's the one who bought himself the man in the top spot and is - obviously - now able to do and access anything he wants. Trump's just the figurehead who can get away with anything. It had to be someone people refuse to believe is anything but a hero. Otherwise, they certainly wouldn't be allowing what's happening now: a coup.
The NY Times publishes a lot of propaganda, so it wouldn't surprise me if this was an attempt to blow some smoke up the asses of their readers to create anger and motivate reactionaries into action.
Unfortunately the unreliability and dishonesty of the mainstream media has consequences.
When reading or listening or watching the news, the first question everyone should always ask themselves is "why do they want me to know this?"
Maybe the article is true, but maybe it's also an attempt to misdirect or antagonize or who knows what else.
Realistically, the likelihood of Musk having access to any DoD war planning is very very low, probably nil.
Right Stefano, it’s the MSM that has been flooding the zone with misinformation and disinformation campaigns. When then MSM talked about Project 2025, I guess that was also an exaggeration, yet, it’s worse than we thought.
And the reason the MSM wants us to know this information, is because it’s newsworthy and affects our National Security. Musk does not have a need to know, and couldn’t even pass a background check, or get a Security Clearance without Trump intervening.
Its ironic, how you dismiss these events as “nothing Burger’s, while Trump and Musk are in the process of dismantling our administrative state, and the rule of law!
Seriously, do you even have any semblance of self awareness?
We're in an age of hybrid warfare, and information warfare has been going on for a while. It's something we need to get used to and deal with it.
Things are a lot worse than what you or I or anyone thinks. And this is partly also a consequence of this situation with the media.
I'm not assuming anything. But if Musk has access to these war plans, then the entire military and security establishment is staffed by morons. Since I have a lot of respect for the DoD, security agencies and people in uniform in general, I personally don't think they're morons, and so my common sense leads me to believe it has a very low probability of being true, probably nil.
I think the purpose of this story was to create anger and anxiety, to galvanize people to react and do stupid things.
“I'm not assuming anything. But if Musk has access to these war plans, then the entire military and security establishment is staffed by morons.”
If you haven’t noticed, the guy in charge of the Defense Department was a Fox News talking bobble head, and he’s already fired most of the Pentagon’s senior staff, and replaced them with MAGA loyalists. So to answer your question, yes, the DoD is staffed with morons!….:)
I disagree. But everyone is free to express their respective opinions on the matter. I don't know if Hegseth is or was the best possible candidate, but it's not up to me to decide.
Agreed, but it’s not about you deciding . It’s whether these people are qualified for their positions. I guarantee that China’s Defense Minister doesn’t hail from a news network.
Wait, I didn’t know Fox News is an actual news network. Musk has been given free rein because he bought a president & most of the R party is spineless. He’s like a 6-yr-old brat let loose in an FAO Schwartz.
You don't get to decide either. Trump won the election, so he chose his team. It's called democracy. The nominees went through a confirmation process in the Senate. They got confirmed. Again, that's the way it works. So get over it. Stop letting your emotions get manipulated so easily. That's the whole point of msm, manipulation. The angrier people are, the more distracted they become.
It’s all been a bridge too far and I think the damage is unfathomable but our national security must be taken seriously if we are to survive this disaster of a president who has given musk free reign to destroy America
This is a betrayal of first magnitude, not only by Elon Musk, but by Donald Trump and everyone in the chain of permission that has granted this access to Musk. Every Republican House member, every Republican Senator who doesn’t rise up in immediate opposition is a betrayer. I don’t give a damn about whether it is technically defined this way, but this is treason. Manifest treason.
Agree totally. One entire political party (with a few, mostly out of office exceptions) is complicit in utter betrayal of the country. They are selling out the country for the next election they hope to win. Musk is buying them up one by one. No shame. No conscience. No loyalty.
This whole event brings us to an edge we must cease. To be cornered by a single interest has to cease . One way or another it simply can not be tolerated . Those who have shown to be compromised must be removed as well as the threat they created .
When exactly do the millions of us who are terrified that we could all be “disappeared” along with the country we have loved & served in many ways is also “disappeared “ stand together in the D.C. Mall protesting the dismantling of the United States? Reading Musk into the China War Plans should truly be the proverbial straw that broke the camels’ back.
He should be sequestered before or after the briefing. If this isn’t Treason by Trump nothing is.
I am surprised to read well-informed voices talking, even today, about the US "sliding from democracy to authoritarianism." To this non-US observer, democracy has already not just slid but been catapulted into full authoritarianism. It is an ex-democracy; democracy is no more, it has ceased to be, it is bereft of life, it rests in peace, it has joined the choir invisible and is pushing up the daisies. As with the parrot, resuscitation will not be easy.
We're in the midst of a massive coup, a level of disregard for laws that might even blow Roy Cohn's mind.
This is DANGEROUS! Why the hell is Elon involved? America is screwed.
House Republicans are snoozing through it when they should be preparing articles of impeachment. Senate Republicans are snoozing through it when they should be requesting articles of impeachment from the House. Maybe they should all wake up and start taking Russian and Chinese lessons.
In other times, I would call BS on this, but with a mentally deteriorating Trump at the helm, it actually might be so. OMG!
Speaking as an ex-Canadian who has been living in NZ for many years (most of my life), I am utterly astounded by the way America has allowed itself to become mesmerized by two such psychopathic narcissistic fascist f***wits, even though I was fully aware of the crazy self-aggrandizing media hype of Hollywood PLUS the insanely brain-washed Christo-Fascist religiosity of backwoods America during my younger years. Musk and Trump leave me in despair when I think about the future of our planet.
My god, Trump and Musk have no shame. It’s not like Musk didn’t already sell out the Ukrainian’s! Isn’t this the reason Musk was under investigation by the USAID Inspector General; he shut down StarLink when then Ukrainian military was conducting a special drone operation against the Russian’s, after receiving a call from Putin?
And this was also the reason Musk immediately raided USAID’s offices after the inauguration, and shut it down; Musk faced serious criminal charges.
And ironically, Trump, in all his infinite wisdom, is giving Musk our Chinese War plans to a Man who has already shown little loyalty to his adopted country, and is even more beholden to China, than he ever was with Russia: What could possibly go wrong???????
Can we somehow convince Musk that, despite all their crashes, one of his rockets is ready for Mars & he needs to be on the inaugural flight to claim Mars as a US Musk/Trump territorial expansion? Are there lots of rare earths on Mars?
I can dream, can’t I …
Misinformation, skullduggery, manipulation, or not, Musk having basic access to anything is treason.
I've been thinking about this for a while. Musk is a utility to trump until he is not. trump will only get rid of musk when he can promote the lie of saving the country from him under the guise of national security. He will make himself appear to be America's savior by ridding himself of musk. And trump's cult will believe his lies. Letting musk be exposed to this level of classified information puts musk in a situation that he can be charged with breaching national security at will, given the slightest of misstep with what he knows.
More likely the other way around: Trump is a utility to Musk, who's the one who bought himself the man in the top spot and is - obviously - now able to do and access anything he wants. Trump's just the figurehead who can get away with anything. It had to be someone people refuse to believe is anything but a hero. Otherwise, they certainly wouldn't be allowing what's happening now: a coup.
The NY Times publishes a lot of propaganda, so it wouldn't surprise me if this was an attempt to blow some smoke up the asses of their readers to create anger and motivate reactionaries into action.
Unfortunately the unreliability and dishonesty of the mainstream media has consequences.
When reading or listening or watching the news, the first question everyone should always ask themselves is "why do they want me to know this?"
Maybe the article is true, but maybe it's also an attempt to misdirect or antagonize or who knows what else.
Realistically, the likelihood of Musk having access to any DoD war planning is very very low, probably nil.
Right Stefano, it’s the MSM that has been flooding the zone with misinformation and disinformation campaigns. When then MSM talked about Project 2025, I guess that was also an exaggeration, yet, it’s worse than we thought.
And the reason the MSM wants us to know this information, is because it’s newsworthy and affects our National Security. Musk does not have a need to know, and couldn’t even pass a background check, or get a Security Clearance without Trump intervening.
Its ironic, how you dismiss these events as “nothing Burger’s, while Trump and Musk are in the process of dismantling our administrative state, and the rule of law!
Seriously, do you even have any semblance of self awareness?
We're in an age of hybrid warfare, and information warfare has been going on for a while. It's something we need to get used to and deal with it.
Things are a lot worse than what you or I or anyone thinks. And this is partly also a consequence of this situation with the media.
I'm not assuming anything. But if Musk has access to these war plans, then the entire military and security establishment is staffed by morons. Since I have a lot of respect for the DoD, security agencies and people in uniform in general, I personally don't think they're morons, and so my common sense leads me to believe it has a very low probability of being true, probably nil.
I think the purpose of this story was to create anger and anxiety, to galvanize people to react and do stupid things.
Your reply is kinda indicative of that.
“I'm not assuming anything. But if Musk has access to these war plans, then the entire military and security establishment is staffed by morons.”
If you haven’t noticed, the guy in charge of the Defense Department was a Fox News talking bobble head, and he’s already fired most of the Pentagon’s senior staff, and replaced them with MAGA loyalists. So to answer your question, yes, the DoD is staffed with morons!….:)
I disagree. But everyone is free to express their respective opinions on the matter. I don't know if Hegseth is or was the best possible candidate, but it's not up to me to decide.
Agreed, but it’s not about you deciding . It’s whether these people are qualified for their positions. I guarantee that China’s Defense Minister doesn’t hail from a news network.
Wait, I didn’t know Fox News is an actual news network. Musk has been given free rein because he bought a president & most of the R party is spineless. He’s like a 6-yr-old brat let loose in an FAO Schwartz.
You don't get to decide either. Trump won the election, so he chose his team. It's called democracy. The nominees went through a confirmation process in the Senate. They got confirmed. Again, that's the way it works. So get over it. Stop letting your emotions get manipulated so easily. That's the whole point of msm, manipulation. The angrier people are, the more distracted they become.
Welcome to your new technocracy! It replaces what's been masquerading as a democratic republic for many decades.
Thank you for the alert and explanation of the implications.
Updates on NPR suggest the briefing will be general rather than detailed, though the NYT hasn't made any corrections yet. https://www.npr.org/2025/03/21/g-s1-55121/elon-musk-pentagon
It’s all been a bridge too far and I think the damage is unfathomable but our national security must be taken seriously if we are to survive this disaster of a president who has given musk free reign to destroy America