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Andy the Alchemist's avatar

Pathological liars once proven to be so automatically forfeit all presumption of good faith for quite literally anything they say. You cannot actually verify what is a real belief and simply a lie to advance an agenda with such people, which is why they should never be allowed to ever hold any positions of power whatsoever. If we lived in a functioning society with a real moral foundation, none of this would have ever happened in the first place.

Rick Knight's avatar

Beautifully argued, Mike. As a physical scientist, I've always felt this defines a vast gulf between science and law. The whole mens rea argument seems like a door of infinite size that any con artist can drive his truck through without hesitation. In fact, the law seems to posit that there is no such thing as a con -- anyone's belief is what they say it is as long as there is no proof to the contrary (which, of course, there never is when the con is well-played).

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